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hey TZ heres my first attempt at a Spit MKII....

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i dont like the turn out, i think i got the colors way wrong as its supposed to look like the one ingame:

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now is there a way to strip the paint and try again?

another thing i dont like is painting with a paint brush it suxxors and just looks messy to me. i was thinking about buying the correct colors online then buying a airbrush on ebay. any suggestions on what to get or where to get the correct paint?




im hoping to do this one:

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with the french colors like ingame but i want it to be as good as can be








ya know the other week the wife found this really nice painting of a spit but it was around $80-150. i thought it would be cheaper and cooler to just build the models lol well now with paint and two models bought im $75 in the hole lol and 3 trips to the local hobby shop thats 20mins away
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Well, except for the colours, the paint looks nice.

I have built a different version of the Boston and it's a pretty good kit.

If you like I'll give you a list of Testors colours (or whatever kind of paint you are using)
and I'd be happy to help with building and painting tips if you'd like.
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ya that would be great tz. do u suggest leaving it with that paint job or striping it and trying again?

the thing i dont like about brush painting is it looks so thick, u cant see any details like in their picture

but looking at pumps and airbrushes online they look pretty pricey. just for s cheep one from testors will be $30




these are the colors of the paint they said they used for the spit:
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=30118
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http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34095




the guy at teh shop looked at this pic of the DB7:
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he gave me:
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to mix with a little black

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to mix with a little black

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to mix with a little white

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to mix with a little white
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Should be able to get you out of the bottle colours. Ya don't wanna mix if you don't have to and Testors does all the colours you need.
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Tzulscha wrote:Should be able to get you out of the bottle colours. Ya don't wanna mix if you don't have to and Testors does all the colours you need.
being my cheap self i went with the $1.70 1/4 bottles instead of the $3.60 1/2 bottles. they had a full wall of the 1/2s but i didnt wana spend that much.

i had to get red, yellow, green, black, white, grey, thinner, blue. $13 vs $28
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Listen, you guys need to quit reliving your childhoods by playing with those model toys and get your butts in game and kick some butt. :P :lol: :P
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Cono wrote:Listen, you guys need to quit reliving your childhoods by playing with those model toys and get your butts in game and kick some butt. :P :lol: :P

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Cono wrote:Listen, you guys need to quit reliving your childhoods by playing with those model toys and get your butts in game and kick some butt. :P :lol: :P
LOL im not revisiting, im tryin to make a manly WAR ROOM!

hey u, that model only took the time to watch both transformer movies to complete

plus i jumped from #14 Top Fighter up tp #6. so ive been a killen


tell the allies to stop farting around and finish the friken map!
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Hah.

Playing with these 'toys' is how I make my living. :lol:

Anyway, sorry Sniper, I keep forgetting to check my colour list at work.

Unfortunately for you, you will easily spend more on tools and paint for your early kits than you spend on the kits.
It slows down a bit as you accumulate tools and junk but you always need that one bottle of colour...

Ok, you can compromise a bit and still turn out a nice kit.

You can mix colours from the basic 1/4oz bottle collection.
Use all flat finish paints. MUCH easier to brush on. Gloss paints don't brush well, the shiny surface shows brushmarks.
You can spray can some of the stuff but you won't find correct French colours in a spraybomb.

With a little bit of care you can turn out a pretty nice looking model with a brush.


Ok a couple of tips to build the DB-7.

First, the Boston III is not the same plane and without a fair amount of work it's gonna be just a paint change.
The most obvious differences are in the bombardiers space. Just remember to use the step edge canopy and leave off the cheek bulges.
French instruments and the BronzeAvia bombsight will need to be made.

Anyway, quick and dirty;

Spraycan all interior parts Testors flat medium green, inside bomb bay, cockpit and crew station parts, inside cowlings and firewalls.
EVERYTHING that goes inside the A/C gets painted that colour. It's an American colour but hey, they were built in California and the French didn't repaint the interiors.
Don't forget your flaps, gear and bomb bay doors!
You can use the game interior as a pretty good reference for interior detail colours, do them with a nice pointed brush.
(Hint, most things will be flat black)

Despite what the instructions say, assemble the nose sections to their respective fuselage halves BEFORE you assemble the fuselage, it will save you a LOT of fit problems.
Oh, and load as much weight as you can in the nose (lead shot or sinkers) or she'll sit on her tail. DON'T use plastic cement to hold your weights. CA or Wood Glue.


When you get everything that goes in the fuselage painted to your satisfaction, you can glue the halves together taking care to line up panel lines and closing the gaps a tight as you can.
TEST FIT BEFORE GLUING!!!!!

Rubber bands and clothespins will help hold things until the glue cures. Give it a couple hours.
If you get little bit of melted plastic oozing out of the joint that's good, when it cures you can shave it off and it will fill the seam.

While that cures assemble everything that comes in halves, tyres, bombs etc., clamp 'em tight and let 'em cure.

Anything that is meant to look like bare metal will benefit from a base coat of flat black. While you are painting black, don't forget props and tyres.
Metallic paints can be lightly scrubbed on to catch the edges of the details, like on engine cylinders, or brushed smooth like on prop bosses and landing gear legs (Legs are painted flat aluminium and oleos are chrome silver).

Assemble wings and elevators but don't attach them.
When everything is cured, scrape down your seams and mask everything. Damp tissue in the cockpits, gear wells, nacelles and bomb bay.
Glue the wings and tail on, make sure joins are tight and square (Check wing and tail dihedral!)

Spray the ENTIRE plane, top and bottom with Testors Intermediate Blue. This is sorta close to the correct French colour and will give you a primer for brushing on the camo colours.

Let's see... Testors has a flat green in those little square bottles that is a pretty good match for the French green, If you lighten up the Testors flat grey with some white you get the French grey.
Flat Tan and a little black should get you close to the Chocolate Brown.
Brush those on, lightest colour first, patterns according to game refs.

Should look ok at this point, unmask, add the canopies, gear doors, gear legs, antenna and fiddly bits. Assemble the engines cowls and props and attach them
Put on your markings and Hey Presto! You built a bomber!

I should point out that this is a pretty basic build, I have left out a LOT of info but I don't wanna scare you. :wink:

Here is a guy building a different variant of the same kit.
http://hyperscale.com/features/2002/db7dk_1.htm

Please note I didn't cover any weathering or extra detailing. This should give you an idea what this kit can look like.
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So?

Ain't you done with that DB yet Sniper? :lol:
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:(

havnt got around to it yet. ive not even painted the striped spitfire yet.... i think im scared to try lol


ill get there sooner or later
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soooooooo

i was going to use that BS air can and i shoulda just took it back like u said lol

i got it all hooked up and was messing around with it trying to figure out how things work, so after awhile of messing around and painting on some cardboard i cleaned it and set it aside while i taped up the plane

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after about an hour and a half of taping i was finally finished and ready to paint....i put the paint in and it wasnt coming out like the acrylic paint i was practicing with.....turns out the other paint is enamel paint....so after messing around for 30 mins with this thing i just couldnt get it to spray so i gave up and used a brush again.

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i didnt like how that turned out again, still to dark and still not right


so i was talking to a buddy at work and asked if he had a airbrush and compressor, and he did so today he brought it in to let me use so i can decide weather or not i wana dish out the cash for one.

Aztek A470

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and a Aztek AC500

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i plan on tryin to paint the spit again (i have it in the paint stipper now) this weekend...


what do u think?
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NOT an Aztec fan.

I don't like all the Plastic.
Don't get me wrong, they are a very clever idea and you can get a really nice spray job out of one...
...but they're plastic...
Take real good care of it and it will probably last you a couple years.

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This is what I will recommend. Paasche Type H Single Action External Mix. Three Tip sizes.
The brush is nickle plated brass. All the tips and parts are metal. The handle is the only plastic part on it and you can that in metal as well. (which I did.)
Take even crappy care of this one and it will last your GRANDKIDS the rest of their lives.
EASY to use and clean.
I seriously have one of these that is over one hundred years old....and I use it regularly.
The design hasn't changed since 1906, if it ain't broke, don't fix it...

Here is a full set for $60
http://www.dixieart.com/HSet.html

For your air supply, a compressor is the best solution.
Canned air will get you empty cans.

A shop (piston type) compressor will work fine, as long as it has an airtank, a regulator and a moisture trap is always nice.
There are special diaphragm type compressors meant only for running airbrushes out there as well.
The Paasche D-500 is not a bad choice and should be reasonably priced.
You won't NEED a regulator with one of those but it couldn't hurt.
We sell the whole set up, brush and compressor, for about $160 plus tax so I'm sure you can find one on teh interwebs for $130 or so

I will also suggest a 1/2 oz bottle adapter since Testors sells the cheapest empty bottles out there.

Just for reference, there IS a difference between the little 1/4oz bottles of Testors and the Model Master stuff.
The biggest difference is how finely ground the pigments are, but having the correct colours out of the bottle is VERY convenient.
The price of paint is stiff yes ($842 a gallon!) but one of them little bottle goes a helluva long way and you probably don't need a gallon of olive drab paint...

Acrylic colours are also worth considering since you can thin them out with alcohol. That way you don't need to worry about killing your dog off with the fumes.

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