617Dambusters

S! My bomber brethren!

Sorry I have not been in here more often, duties of command is too much work. L

How is it for you folks?

Yes, I am also disappointed Doc has not improved the results of RDP bombing.
I prefer longer repair times now, so factories are not fixed by the time you RTB, it is a gripe I hear about almost every time I do a mission.
Make a post in HANGAR that you want to see longer (24 hour?) factory repair times, and I will make all my LW minions post in support! (As a beta tester I have done all I can, so need the populist vote).

I saw some sappers working over Essen Factory today. Talk about gamey, but that is a perfect argument about the decline of destroying factories the way the system was meant to be.

I also propose a new AF for 617 to use. Go to this posting to see and comment.
http://forums.battlegroundeurope.com/sh ... p?t=265462

Now, I have a big question.
During the first 3 days of #51 there was NO bombing of Axis factories.
Why not?


Cheers m8’s!

To answer your last question, and I can only answer for myself, Is with the current state of RDP, it is simply a waste of time and effort to bomb factories. Not to mention when I get a .allied or I call over side chat/55 the general reply is why waste time and instead lead a CAS raid or a fighter sweep. CRS has done exactly what they wanted to do in my opinion...kill RDP .

So with the RDP in the shape its in, I have reverted to being a fighter pilot. Until the RDP is fixed, you will not see me bombing much unless asked to or in a large group during a CAS mission. Flying a bomber by yourself with no escort is usually suicide, and I find it LAME as can be that I cannot kill anything on the ground from over 1.5km. So I have to Level bomb from lower altitudes and that is almost certain death with how good some of those axis AAA gunners are. I know a lot of these guys have real life things going on and that could account for some of it. My interest in RDP bombing is only interest if it helps the allied side, and with the current situation I am 10x more effective in helping the allies shooting down LW and doing limited CAS operations.

Its all about how effective you are, or are you just wasting time.
At this time, I feel RDP is ineffective and a waste of time for nothing else than shits and giggles.

Why diddnt they tell us they were not fixing it before day 1 of the campaign like they had told us they would do?

I guess we will see what 1.30 holds for us.

I am sorry to hear that, but you are right, and completely understandable.

So, in short, as a squad you have ceased all RDP bombing until major changes to RDP method?

Has the Allied HC also decided to end promotion of RDP bombing?

And has Hiiamben been demoted? It looks like his position in HC has changed.

I will bring this up to Rats, and I suggest you tell the Allied HC to do same.

Finally, I will keep what you said STRICTLY confidential, will not tell Axis HC.

S!

Think ben resigned, some of the hard core guys are still RDP bombing, but more for fun than anything. and allied HC has never really promoted RDP bombing, and from what I have seen, both HC's have given up on it. Altho, I can only speak for what I have observed, nothing confirmed here.

trevor8 wrote:Think ben resigned, some of the hard core guys are still RDP bombing, but more for fun than anything. and allied HC has never really promoted RDP bombing, and from what I have seen, both HC's have given up on it. Altho, I can only speak for what I have observed, nothing confirmed here.

Actually, the Axis HC top brass does encourage RDP, from Fiambre to Ereck (especially Alphie), I think only Katonka is ambivalent, but it IS better then how it used to be.
The map has been unusual, so we have not been able to do the routine missions of past.

Conversely I have seen a steady decline in allied efforts in RDP.

I would like to hear from other DB's, especially Ben, Tzu, Kiz.

The fight is not over yet!


PS, I presume the picture is of you. Slidell? My house was flooded in 6/2001, so I know how that is like.
That sign is very practical. STOP (or your ass will be gator food).

what about suggestion that RDP bombing will afect suplies of better units of enemy? Like it wil really afect tigers and snipers and heavy tanks and best planes in that tier... but amount of riflemans or SMG will be unchanged? Or even better, if RDP is down, instead of 190 wil be produced 109 and instead of spitIX you will have more spits V....
I think that would be realistick from history point of view, but cant imagine reaction of CRS on such a suggestion.
I think they are so much hesitating about RDP from CRS because people want to play, an missing suply is ruining fun of people. By this system RDP bombing will have good impact on gameplay, will become part of both HC plans, but will not affect ground-guy who doesnt care about tactics, strategy or airfight and wants only to log, grab something and kill

what do you think? is it good idea?

Miar wrote:what about suggestion that RDP bombing will afect suplies of better units of enemy? Like it wil really afect tigers and snipers and heavy tanks and best planes in that tier... but amount of riflemans or SMG will be unchanged? Or even better, if RDP is down, instead of 190 wil be produced 109 and instead of spitIX you will have more spits V....
I think that would be realistick from history point of view, but cant imagine reaction of CRS on such a suggestion.
I think they are so much hesitating about RDP from CRS because people want to play, an missing suply is ruining fun of people. By this system RDP bombing will have good impact on gameplay, will become part of both HC plans, but will not affect ground-guy who doesnt care about tactics, strategy or airfight and wants only to log, grab something and kill

what do you think? is it good idea?

Ano, to je dobre napat, jenom ja uch se zeptal.

I suggested system that effects offensive types more, simpler to do, and more effective.

Rats never commented.

Frantish wrote:I am sorry to hear that, but you are right, and completely understandable.

So, in short, as a squad you have ceased all RDP bombing until major changes to RDP method?

Has the Allied HC also decided to end promotion of RDP bombing?

And has Hiiamben been demoted? It looks like his position in HC has changed.

I will bring this up to Rats, and I suggest you tell the Allied HC to do same.

Finally, I will keep what you said STRICTLY confidential, will not tell Axis HC.

S!

Frantish, I wouldn't say we have ceased all RDP, but R/L and more interesting things in the game have changed most of the squads priority.

Ben did step down because of airfield movement issues with AHC. I think it was that or it could of been that the AHC was making gambles on the ground that he knew would fail
and told them and they didn't listen, or maybe it was something else , I forget.

And yes on promotion , general census in AHC except for a few junior AHC's, is that RDP is Blah.

Frantish wrote:Ano, to je dobre napat, jenom ja uch se zeptal.

heh, where are zou from?

and no surprise they didnt comment, i dont even go to forums because of that.

Miar wrote:

Frantish wrote:Ano, to je dobre napat, jenom ja uch se zeptal.

heh, where are zou from?

and no surprise they didnt comment, i dont even go to forums because of that.

My parents are Czech (Ostrava a Praha), so you are a Slovakian brother to me.

Everyone thinks their own thing is important, ans as far as I know me and Alli are the the only 2 hard core fliers.
So, it takes a lot of, ah, persuasion.

That is why all the flying squads have to be united to persuade the Rats to fix the bombers.

S! all

Frantish bud, yes i did step down from raf co because the air sop that dogbertx and i worked on went flying out the window when people started bitching about how there was only air from af's maybe 30-40 klicks from the battle instead of right on the ao like they always want, you know all air on an ao or as much as possible, even the use of hq's on the front lines. I still rdp bomb when i play. I think that we have to realize that crs isnt really going to do too much to the rdp situation until botjh sides actively pursue it and ask for changes to be made which alot of us have done but to no gain. As far as how does the ahc feel about rdp?/ , They support it for the most part, that was due alot to me explaining a few things on a ts meeting awhile ago.
I just have been having some computer issues lately is why i havent been in alot lately, hopefully all will be good soon.

heh i found out that CRS is censoring comments under articles and letting only favourable ones to stay, other rejecting i was suspicious of that earlier, because I thought that not everybody should be so horny about what this game is perfect and there was too much comments about this game in way it is "best thing which have been on this earth made ever" or at least neutral.
At docs last article about differences between alied and axis fight (or "you pilot-players are so stupid" article)
http://www.battlegroundeurope.com/index ... month-club

I commented something like
"What you said about 109 vs spit is all true, but I am more interested about things like when will be new planes made, new bombers, bailout, vertical clouds or fuel tanks. I dont care about axis noob pilots opinions or basics of airfight, which can be find enywhere."
something like that only i was shortening it because of stupid letters limit....
it is not there and other 10 "you are right CRS, air in WWIIOL is amazing, we worship you" comments are there

Miar wrote:heh i found out that CRS is censoring comments under articles and letting only favourable ones to stay, other rejecting i was suspicious of that earlier, because I thought that not everybody should be so horny about what this game is perfect and there was too much comments about this game in way it is "best thing which have been on this earth made ever" or at least neutral.
At docs last article about differences between alied and axis fight (or "you pilot-players are so stupid" article)
http://www.battlegroundeurope.com/index ... month-club

I commented something like
"What you said about 109 vs spit is all true, but I am more interested about things like when will be new planes made, new bombers, bailout, vertical clouds or fuel tanks. I dont care about axis noob pilots opinions or basics of airfight, which can be find enywhere."
something like that only i was shortening it because of stupid letters limit....
it is not there and other 10 "you are right CRS, air in WWIIOL is amazing, we worship you" comments are there

Good old

I guess there is a balance to be achieved here for CRS.

There are dedicated RDP bombers such as ourselves, probably a minority of players, and the rest who play on the battlefield. I guess the other players don't want to be sat around waiting for units because a few players like bombing factories.

I guess that means that CRS don't want to have loads of whining players complaining about being sat around for ages because of a shortage of equipment which means players might leave/unsubscribe because they find the game boring, so we don't get a decent RDP system?

Perhaps they could add a new element to the game such as flying in airborne sappers to a factory behind the front lines to repair the damage that has been done quicker than it would be done naturally?

So players have to put a bit of effort in if they want their units back quicker?

Or would this been seen as a chore that needs to be done before they can get back to playing the game?

Do Axis flyers regard patrolling for bombers as a chore they have to do before getting back to the front lines or do they just largely ignore them?

I know I've had some good laffs looking for Axis bombers over the English channel when we've been on the defensive, it's a "rush" when you spot an nme bomber and try and shoot it down, maybe I am just easily pleased?

..... and that whole thing about dropping bombs from above 3000ft making them useless sucks big time!